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How The Grinch Stole Christmas
This episode dives into the enduring legacy of "How the Grinch Stole Christmas," exploring the original 1966 animated special, the 2000 live-action film with Jim Carrey, and the 2018 animated version featuring Benedict Cumberbatch. We analyze each adaptation's take on the Grinch's character development and the story's core message about the true spirit of Christmas.
• Comparison of the three adaptations and their unique storytelling approaches
• The increased emotional depth in Jim Carrey's portrayal
• The modernization of the Grinch's character in the 2018 animated version
• Discussion on favorite holiday traditions and how they relate to the Grinch's message
• Reflection on the impact of nostalgia in holiday films
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Welcome to Season 3 of Rebooted, where four former film majors making a podcast about Hollywood's favorite pastime rebooting, recooling and nostalgia-milking every movie except Back to the Future. I'm Andrew, former film major and now a director of marketing.
Speaker 2:I'm Jessica, former film major and now a barista.
Speaker 3:And I'm Rob, former film major and also a director of marketing.
Speaker 4:I'm Mike, former film major and now I'm a software engineer.
Speaker 1:In this episode we cuddle up next to a fire to hear a tale from the late great Dr Seuss, as we pop open a can of Dr Pepper and witness the machinations of a green beast whose hate for Doctor who fans would make Bruce Jenner jealous.
Speaker 2:Bruce Jenner.
Speaker 1:Bruce Banner. Bruce Banner jealous. This holiday classic. Doctor. Strangely Enough is. How did that ding dang Grinch one up? Scrooge to steal Christmas.
Speaker 2:You're a curmudgeon, Andrew Grinch. You really hate Christmas movies.
Speaker 3:Except for Die Hard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's true. And Jurassic World.
Speaker 4:Jinx. My favorite part of Christmas is that it's the one time of year that Andrew's a bigger curmudgeon than me.
Speaker 1:You take a step down to childhood joy, I really do and I stay like this.
Speaker 4:Yes, 100%.
Speaker 2:I fucking love christmas, you, you do I saw a breakdown that someone said that die hard is more of a christmas movie than rudolph the red-nosed reindeer, and they had a whole breakdown on why I mean, it's true, rudolph redwood knows reindeer only has one small part of the movie take place at christmas yeah, most of it is like, most of it is a biopic right, right, right it's.
Speaker 1:It's a aaron sorkin biopic of ruder reindeer politics no, the reindeer games and it's reindeer racism.
Speaker 1:Rob is what it is, wow yeah I learned that from kiss, kiss, bang, bang. Oh, so there you have it all right. Well, I do want to say welcome all of you, great listeners, to the end of 2024 or, if you're listening, in the future, that's when this was released, in the end of the year of our lord, 2024.
Speaker 1:It's been a busy year for us here at what is now jammer. Uh, as you know, we've reformed our company as jammer and we're working hard on growing our gaming product line and, as well as doing our podcasts, which we really love doing these and, uh, quite truthfully, we need your help being able to continue to do them. I know we joke around a lot about our Patreon supporters and people just helping to support us and all that kind of stuff, but, truthfully, if you enjoy what we're doing, we really could use a little bit of that financial support going into 2025 to help us offset some of our hosting costs and other business expenses because, unfortunately, you know, everything costs the moolah as we enter our 40s and you know the world and stuff Not there yet, all that kind of stuff. I was going to say only half of us have entered our 40s.
Speaker 2:Let's chill on that. Yeah, half of us have Well 40s.
Speaker 1:Let's chill on that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, half of us have, well, but anyways, we appreciate all the love and the support we get doing Rebooted and I freaking love that movie and now our new snorts.
Speaker 1:So, you know, please consider throwing a couple bucks our way, either on our Patreon or on our sub stack. And, speaking of that, in 2025, we're committed to releasing at least one new episode every month, which I realize is a little slower pace than we were doing with season one, but should be a little more of a pace than we did with season two, where we had like a year hiatus. So we are planning on making sure we're at least releasing a full episode every month and then trying to get snorts in as we go and check out new movies in the cinemas and whatnot. So be sure to check out our cinema shorts, or snorts as we call them. Uh, for current movies, and our inaugural snort, which we just recorded, was for wicked and it's available now for free on the sub stack. So make sure you check that out and keep keep telling your friends about rebooted or your enemies too, like tell everybody right, stop it yeah that's a good point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the barista that gives you coffee in the morning, go tell them to go listen to reboot it like everybody I already do and if you don't like someone and they're going to do whatever you say the opposite, to tell them they shouldn't listen to Rebooted and then they will yeah. Because, yeah, yeah, this is if you got those friends that are like contrarians, where they do exactly the opposite of what you say.
Speaker 4:Right, I don't know anybody like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, nobody I know is like that at all.
Speaker 1:All right, nobody I know, nobody I know is like that at all. All right.
Speaker 2:Nobody I know here refuses to go see Mad Max Fury Road until the weatherman on TV tells him to do it. And then he's like, yeah, I'm not going to listen to my wife, I'll listen to the weatherman. I know he's not the weatherman, but I can't remember what he does. Anyway.
Speaker 1:I'm glad I added this. All right, Jessica, why don't you give us a cool summary of these threequels?
Speaker 2:of movies. In this episode we're diving into the three iconic adaptations of how the Grinch Stole Christmas the 1966 animated, the 2000 live action and the 2018 animated, exploring how each brings the beloved Dr seuss story to life in its own unique way. The original how the grinch stole christmas is a classic 26 minute animated special. Staying very true to dr seuss's rhyming, text and visual style, it follows the grinch, a bitter green creature who lives alone atop mount crumpet looking down on the cheerful who's of whoville. Disgusted by their christmas spirit, he devises a plan to steal christmas by taking all their presents, decorations and food. But when christmas morning arrives, the who's still celebrate, teaching the grinch that christmas doesn't come from presents but from the heart. The 2000 live action how the grinch stole christmas stars jim carrey as the grinch, adding depth and backstory to the character. This version expands on the original tale by exploring the Grinch's troubled childhood in Whoville, offering a reason for his disdain towards Christmas, while he still attempts to ruin Christmas for the Whos. The Grinch is more complex, with moments of vulnerability and emotional growth. Complex, with moments of vulnerability and emotional growth. The visual style is whimsical yet extravagant, and Carrie's performance brings a mix of humor and pathos appealing to both kids and adults. Finally, the Grinch 2018 is a more modern, computer-animated take on the story.
Speaker 2:This version gives the Grinch a slightly different look, more stylized and soft compared to the original sharp lines. Benedict Cumberbatch voices the Grinch, bringing a more subtle and dry sense of humor to the role. This film also expands on the Grinch's isolation and loneliness, with a focus on his personal journey to the understanding of the true meaning of Christmas. Additionally, it introduces Cindy Lou who as a central character, who takes the initiative to help the Grinch change his ways. The visual style is vibrant and contemporary, making it feel fresh while still honoring the spirit of the original. Despite their differences in tone and execution, all three adaptations share a core message that Christmas is about love, kindness and community, not material goods. Whether through the original animation's simplicity, jim Carrey's hilarious live-action performance or the 2018 film's heartwarming modern twist, each version of how the Grinch Stole Christmas delivers a memorable and timeless lesson for all ages Ah who?
Speaker 3:dies. Ah, who dores?
Speaker 2:Welcome, christmas, christmas, christmas.
Speaker 1:Wow, that was more like Christmas horror. That was weird.
Speaker 2:It's in every single Grinch movie. That is a staple of the Grinch movies.
Speaker 1:Besides your Amoeba, mr Grinch, I understand that I understand that, but it was just like, like it was kind of like that creepy ghost etherealness.
Speaker 3:at least through my headphones here it was like a disembodied voice haunting me on Christmas Eve for me it like cut out, like right in the middle of the high note, and so it was like I couldn't really tell what was happening.
Speaker 2:I kind of know the song but I can't really. I'm missing something here. My voice just gets so high that only dogs can hear it. That's just how it is.
Speaker 1:So wait if all of our listeners just heard it, because you're recording separate from Discord. You're just calling all of our listeners dogs.
Speaker 2:Yes, bitches.
Speaker 1:Wow Okay, support that Patreon.
Speaker 3:That was really grinchy.
Speaker 1:All right, well, our local curmudgeon, mike, but not at Christmas times, not at Christmas. You give Mike a candy cane and he turns into a young flipper snapper.
Speaker 4:Not a candy cane. I thought you were going.
Speaker 2:If you give a mouse a cookie route and they're like if you give Mike a candy cane, he's going to want.
Speaker 1:If you give Mike a mint chocolate chip cookie, there you go.
Speaker 4:Some snickerdoodles Some spritz cookies shaped like Christmas trees.
Speaker 1:Oh, I love spritz cookies.
Speaker 2:He's going to want a peppermint schnapps to go with it.
Speaker 4:No Bad experience.
Speaker 1:My mom makes these. They're date cookies. They're like these circle cookies with dates oh, they're so good. And I only get them at Christmas time. And then she makes date bars, which has got like a crumbly grumbly top and a layered date oh, it's so good. Grumbly, grumbly top and date, a layered date oh, it's so good. You'll have to come over mike christmas time here and have some date bars and cookies.
Speaker 4:I love christmas yeah.
Speaker 1:So deliciousness, deliciousness to be had, tell me, guys, I, I kind of I want to do something here a little different this time, because you know, we, we do a lot of jumping around. We talk about muppets, we talk about pontoons, we talk about all sorts of strange things. I don't know we've ever talked about a pontoon but we should.
Speaker 4:But you got me thinking back like when did that happen?
Speaker 1:I, you know, I saw a pontoon on a on a trailer of a truck recently on the road because someone was driving it in the middle of winter, which is weird. But it got me thinking about pontoons and how some dude just saw like or dudette, saw oil drums and slapped a two by four on him and said this is a good boat.
Speaker 1:I mean, to me that's just I mean they're not wrong exactly just like so I just like I'm thinking to myself all the pontoon is a couple oil drums and a two-by or plywood, whatever. So maybe next time we talk more about pontoons Although I think we just did Rather than talk about pontoons and Muppets and stuff. I kind of just want to get from you guys what is your favorite Christmas? I say movie, but then Mike mike's just gonna scream elf and maybe pass out. So let's say what's your favorite tradition surrounding movie? What do you do around christmas time to watch movies? Do you have like, do you get like, hot cocoa cookies? Do you watch a specific movie besides elf?
Speaker 4:listen, listen okay, elf is sacred and you shut your mouth. Um, okay, but no, we uh, a lot of our like family christmas traditions revolve around like the christmas classics on in the background. And when I say christmas classics, I'm not talking like christmas vacation, christmas story I've never actually seen either of those, weirdly enough. I'm talking like the claymation, like the animated ones like year without a santa claus rudolph, the red-nosed reindeer elf, is obviously in the mix now. Like it is, it's well established as a classic.
Speaker 4:It doesn't fit the same genre but there is claymation in it too there is, but it's, and the claymation is very clearly a nod to those like older movies, right, um, but we have those playing in the background while we are building our christmas decorations. I'll post some pictures of this in uh facebook group and on twitter and stuff around so that people can see them, or x, I guess now? No, we're not there anymore.
Speaker 4:We're on blue sky now, but anyway this tradition started when I was like eight or nine.
Speaker 4:My dad would get a Lego set every year.
Speaker 4:It started with a train, a little train that ran around our Christmas tree, and every year we'd get another set to add to it and it just grew and grew and grew and grew into this massive sprawling city that took up two rooms in our house. My mom cut a hole in the wall and we built a tunnel for the train to go through and it turned into this like big thing where immediately after Thanksgiving dinner, everybody, like we'd go to my grandparents for Thanksgiving dinner on Saturday, after everybody would come back to our house we turn on the Christmas movies. We'd set up stations throughout the house and there'd be like 20 people building Lego sets for like two days on end, assembling this Lego city that only came up during christmas. But like we, but these movies are on repeat, so much that, like we quote them incessantly throughout the year or make completely ludicrous, obscure references that 98.9 percent of the world do not understand but, like my immediate family, find absolutely hilarious my quote year round is you don't like coconuts, say brainless.
Speaker 2:You know where coconuts come from and I say that all the time. Anytime anyone mentions coconuts, that comes out of my mouth what about you rob any cool things you do?
Speaker 3:with movies. I watched the uh original grinch, how the grinch stole Stole Christmas. That's. That's one I always try to get to. Uh, I don't know if we've done it every single year, but, um, we try to put like classic Christmas movies on in the background and, uh, build little gingerbread houses and the girls really get into it. Um, but we, we do all the like stop motion I motion. I found out a YouTube playlist that had like two hours worth of all these older classic stop motion movies. So we just play that in the background and so, interspersed with it is like random ads for whatever is on YouTube. But but it's alright, you know, and they get irrationally angry because it's like they just don't know what commercials are anymore, because there's like no ads with the Netflix, disney plus stuff.
Speaker 1:Last year we got my dad YouTube plus, that we got the family YouTube plus. We had for my dad for Christmas and I've forgotten what ads are on YouTube my dad for christmas and I've forgotten what ads are on youtube, sometimes they're fine.
Speaker 3:Sometimes they're like the same ad, like that's 10 times in a row, and you're like, okay, uh all right, I I honestly it's one of the best subscriptions I ever got yeah, I, uh, I.
Speaker 2:I loved the also. You know, in one growing up my dad had a box set of Frosty the Snowman, rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, santa Claus is Coming Down and Little Drummer Boy. Little Drummer Boy. They all got played constantly, except Little Drummer Boy.
Speaker 4:F that movie I hate it so much, I hate that movie so much it took the worst Christmas song ever and made it into the worst Christmas movie ever.
Speaker 2:In college, andrew and Rob I was in the Red Room they played Little Drummer Boy literally 10 times in a row by 10 different artists and I hate that song so much.
Speaker 4:You know the worst part about Little Drummer Boy?
Speaker 1:No, but you're going to tell me.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm absolutely going to tell you. Here's a song that's all about this little kid who plays drums for Jesus, and there's not a single drum solo in any popular version of that song, like where the hell is the drum line.
Speaker 2:Where is it, andrew? I mean Devil Redondo. Georgia gets two fiddle solos. Come on, you know.
Speaker 3:I started watching the beginning of that movie earlier and I think I only really ever see the like manger scene where he plays for Jesus, because at the beginning it's like he gets abducted in the desert.
Speaker 2:I don't even remember that.
Speaker 3:Like this. That's weird, just really shady characters. The coach man what Coach man? Yeah, I think so From.
Speaker 1:Pinocchio. That was a call back to Pinocchio. Yeah, it was kind of like a Pinocchio it did have a very Pinocchio. Yeah, it was kind of like a Pinocchio it did have a very Pinocchio vibe to it. I was re-listening to some rebooted podcasts just the other day, and Pinocchio was one of them, so it's fresh in my dome. You're like Coachman. I see why you're For you. That's a long time ago.
Speaker 4:For me it was just recent. I tried to block that movie from memory All.
Speaker 1:For me it was just recent. I tried to block that movie from memory. All right, well, that's awesome, I think. A lot of cool traditions. So in every version of how the Grinch Stole Christmas, the central conflict revolves around the Grinch trying to steal Christmas. But the way each film portrays that conflict varies varies. In the 2000 live action version, the grinch's personal history and emotional struggles are a major part of that conflict, as well as his context, supposedly. Um. Well, in the 2018 animated film focuses more on his loneliness and his desire for recognition. Do you I'm gonna ask you this, to you, mike uh, do you think these added layers make the conflict more compelling or do you think they distract with simplicity and charm of the original dr suess story? Or do you think these different approaches change the way we view the crinches quote-unquote evil or his actions?
Speaker 4:yeah, I so I think, for sure, they definitely change the way that you look at the Grinch. But the thing is, like the original, like the, the book is a children's book, right, it's not like it's a novel, it's short. And the original animated special is a 26 minute special, right, right, there's not enough depth to the character of the grinch in the original short or in the book to flesh out a feature length movie there just isn't. So you have to. You have to introduce that somewhere, right, and if the main character of the story is the villain of the story, then the logical place to flesh out the story is the why of what makes him the villain, and so I think, like, I think it's necessary to achieve a feature-length movie, and I think it like it.
Speaker 4:It does help you sympathize with the Grinch a little bit, especially in the newer one, more so than the others, where you see hints of almost, like, childhood trauma and torment and he's just mad and his transformation, I feel like, is a little bit more sudden and a little bit more true to the traditional like oh, it's Christmas and happiness and yay, and let's have a change of heart, whereas there's aspects of the 2018 Grinch that, like you said, he's lonely. He's not heartless and vile, necessarily. He's just like he doesn't feel welcome. So you see his interactions with Max and his interactions with Fred throughout the movie. You see this natural progression of how he reaches that change of heart at the end.
Speaker 1:All right. So let me ask you this, mike. So in the original we had a doctor, dr Seuss. He used a condition called cardiomejorly, which means when your heart gets too large for your body to solve the issue of the Grinch by killing him, he would die from that. If your heart gets too large, you die right. So wait, maybe I'm thinking the wrong story.
Speaker 2:This is why you're the Grinch.
Speaker 1:No, okay, but I actually do have a real question for you, mike, other than the fact that you're frozen in my Discord and I can't tell your response to what you said.
Speaker 3:He's saying that his heart grew too large too fast, and so therefore he died.
Speaker 1:So the doctor Seussuss killed him, no, but uh, in all in all truth, that was kind of just a joke, but in all truth, I I'm curious what you think. So the original dr seuss story is about the. It's like anti-materialism, right, it's about not needing material things to be happy at christmas. But in order to make magillions and billions of dollars, they wanted to turn this into a feature film through commercializing it, into creating a whole backstory. Would it not have been better and better for jim carrey's eyes if they would have just done another 30 minutes short for retelling this story and more modern and live action errors, than try to come up with a bunch of bullshit to give him a backstory? Objection. Your honor leading the witness Right?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I don't know how like I feel like there's an answer that you want, but like well, I'm just saying isn't it kind of?
Speaker 1:funny because it's like it's creating this. They're commercializing the story by making it longer.
Speaker 4:I think you're putting too much thought into it. Personally, I don't know. It's a Christmas movie, right? I mean, even with the extra background into the Grinch. Neither of these are super emotionally deep cinema 're christmas movies? Like, let them be christmas movies, you know what I mean? They're too long.
Speaker 1:I think I'm going back to the pinocchio thing here. Oh see, I don't, I didn't, I don't think that at all I I think they're yeah, no, I don't think they're too long.
Speaker 4:I think they do a good job.
Speaker 4:Um, actually, the one thing, the one thing that I did think was interesting in um the most recent one you know we're talking about like things that they're, they're, you know, doing differently and you know changing from one to the next is um like music choice.
Speaker 4:Um, in the 2018 one like um singing, like singing like God rest you, mary, gentlemen, and very like, very traditional, like religious Christmas songs, and I and I I found that interesting because there's so many Christmas movies that, even when they focus on Christmas as the central plot of the story, they focus on, like the community and the giving and the kindness aspect of it and the like. You know it's not about the gifts and the giving and the kindness aspect of it, and like you know, it's not about the gifts, it's about the like, quality time and family, and they don't really like touch on the religious aspect of Christmas, and not that that's a problem, it's just that like that's the way a lot of modern Christmas movies are, so like you hear songs like Jingle Bells and White Christmas and things like that, and you wouldn't hear the more traditional hymns. And the fact that you did I thought was an interesting and uncommon choice.
Speaker 2:I do think it's funny that in all three versions of the films, even though you have like different backstories, it's like hey, who's commercialism? Oh, the Grinch taught you that you don't need presents, so don't worry about it. It's family, no commercialism. Oh, the grinch learned his lesson. Commercialism's back on the table.
Speaker 1:Here's your present looks like meat's back on the menu boys yeah it is interesting like I, that that is the one thing too where I'm kind of like. I don't always think I fully understand the lesson that's being taken away for the grinch like, especially in the original one. If he is this evil guy who hates christmas and really in the original he is just kind of like evil. So he's the, the you know antagonist in the in the story. There's no explanation as to why he hates christmas. Um, and it's just like, why does he all of a sudden decide just because they're happy? I mean, it seems weird to me, but yeah, it goes from in the original cartoon.
Speaker 2:The Grinch is an asshole. To the second one, the Whovians are assholes. To the third one, santa's an asshole.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think part of the reason that I don't look like too deeply into it is like you hinted at it early in the early in the, in the episode when, when it turns to christmas, like I just like regress into like eight years old again and everything is magic and nothing in the world is wrong. So it's like all of the like, yeah, you shut your mouth, sir.
Speaker 4:Like all of the like normal things and like the cynicism that you would get out of me just completely fades away, because the snow is falling and Santa is coming and that's all that matters. I don't have snow.
Speaker 3:Yes, hey Rob, don't worry, there's no snow falling. Your power it's.
Speaker 1:OK, for now I don't have snow. Mike. Rob, don't worry, there's no snow falling. Your power grid's okay for now so for Mike. When snow, when snow falls for Mike, it's wonderful and lovely. When snow falls for Rob, he's terrified and going to. Cancun oh man alright.
Speaker 3:Well, let's talk about the classic. Oh man All right?
Speaker 1:Well, let's talk about the classic Grinch. Conflict is all about the battle between the Grinch and those who Vians over Christmas, but the stakes are different in each version. In the original anime short, the conflict is more external. Can the Grinch steal Christmas and ruin the who Vians holiday? The conflict is more external Can the Grinch steal Christmas and ruin the Whovians holiday? But in 2000 and 2018 films, there's a deeper internal struggle within the Grinch, as we kind of talked about, as he grapples with his own feelings of anger and isolation. Jessica, I'm going to ask you this which version do you think better explores the personal stakes for the Grinch? And does that external versus internal conflict change how satisfying really the the end of the movie is, or really say enjoyable?
Speaker 2:I think the Jim Carrey one is the one that has like the most background. Definitely, like, like I mean Cindy Lou, who literally goes to the townspeople to find out why the Grinch is such a Grinch, and like they kind of meant, like they kind of delve into in the third one that he was an orphan and that Santa never brought him anything. So it hurts him to see the other people happy and having their families, but like, yeah, the second one definitely has, because he was bullied as a kid, because he was hairy and green, and then they continue to do that as adults. Yeah, and it's like, yeah, they kind of deserved it. In the Jim Carrey one, like, yeah, he might have been a Grinch, but it was on the Whovians in that one.
Speaker 1:So he should have Zipporated their town.
Speaker 2:You're saying Should have what.
Speaker 1:What did you say? I said he should have Zipporated their town. What is?
Speaker 2:that. I don't think I want to I don't, I don't know, you don't know either mike.
Speaker 1:Okay, I guess I'll cut that out.
Speaker 2:It's just something to take a zippo lighter and just like light every house on fire. Is that it?
Speaker 1:yeah, okay, welcome to vietnam bud okay, I was not born in vietnam during during Vietnam?
Speaker 2:None of us were. I was. How old do you think? I am Okay you're constantly acting like we're decades apart, because I'm two years younger than you.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, I might have to cut that out. That'd be a good outtake. Alright, rob, alright, rob. Yes, rob, I have a question for you too, my friend, okay you segued out of this bit you segued out of
Speaker 3:the cop ones and stuff, and then went back to it. I love that segue. I feel like we're two guys, just you know, it's like a late night talk show, we're just like yeah.
Speaker 1:Rob, question for you, my friend. Sure, which is better, dr Seuss or Dr Pepper? Oh, man.
Speaker 3:um, I think I'm gonna have to go with Dr Pepper that's right.
Speaker 1:It's the only one right now.
Speaker 3:I hate Dr Pepper.
Speaker 2:Dr, Pepper.
Speaker 1:That's right, it's delicious, it's better with whiskey.
Speaker 2:I hate Dr Pepper. Dr Pepper is nasty, in my opinion.
Speaker 3:What it has 23 flavors. Come on, that's right.
Speaker 1:Andrew didn't believe me. We looked up what they were Secret recipe. I looked up because you didn't believe me.
Speaker 2:You told me it was Baskin Robbins.
Speaker 1:And I said Baskin Robbins has their 23 flavors. They have 31 flavors at Baskin Robbins and Heinz Ketchup has 65 flavors. Whatever it is, there you go Something like that.
Speaker 3:One of them is purple Something, and none of those are the question, not a flavor, mike.
Speaker 1:So both the 2000 live action Grinch and the 2018 animated version seem to lean heavily on that good, good nostalgia, aiming to draw in older audiences like us, while also appealing to the new generation like our children. Uh, the 2000 film, with its jim carrey performance and its references to the original, feels like a nostalgic reimagining, while the 2018 version updates the classic with more modern animation and humor. Do you think these films use nostalgia effectively or do they risk relying too much on its drawn audiences? How much do you think the newer versions are trying to create new memories for kids today, while still leaning on the familiarity of the original to make parents feel more comfortable introducing this story to their kiddos feel more?
Speaker 3:comfortable introducing this story to their kiddos. So I would not introduce my kids to the Grinch with the 2000 live action remake because they're just well. So my, my oldest, doesn't really like Muppets and I feel like she, she gets creeped out by them.
Speaker 2:She gets creeped out by them.
Speaker 3:It's not like she doesn't them. It's not that she doesn't find them entertaining. Something about them unsettles her, and I feel like Jim Carrey's cringe would probably do the same thing to her. Why? Because he's a little creepy looking.
Speaker 4:He's terrifying in that.
Speaker 1:I thought Mike was asking why she's like Muppets.
Speaker 3:because that I'm concerned about and he knows he's like muppets because that I'm concerned about and he and he knows he's creepy looking like he purposely does things in the movie that just just the in the eyes I think andrew already talked about the like contacts and stuff like just he just looks a little creepier. So I would. I would and have introduced my kids to the Grinch with the original, but if I didn't have the original handy, I would introduce them with the 2018 version Because I feel like it matches the original but kind of a little bit more kid friendly and with modern music taste. But they do.
Speaker 3:They both both of the updates and remakes really do more heavily into the Grinch and Dr Seuss itself, while the 2018 version feels like it is leaning on the nostalgia of Christmas in general.
Speaker 3:Like the town of Whoville is very much like this Coca-Cola classic Christmas. Look, and then you have the battling carolers and the kids throwing snowballs, and then someone has like a machine and it like makes a whole bunch of snowballs for the kids and you're like man, I wish we had that when I was a kid because that's amazing. So they just kind of like gave you the setting and world building of what Whoville is and how everybody's having a beautiful, lovely, warm, nostalgic time in community together and then they juxtapose that with this isolated Grinch who's really he's not mean spirited because he's really nice to his dog, but he's also just very sad and lonely. Um, as opposed to jim carrey's grinch, the nostalgia is like we turned all of the grinch things, even like dr seuss's drawings of the who've whovians, and even made people's faces look like the Whovians and put Jim Carrey in a bunch of makeup that he had to get trained by a Navy SEAL to endure torture, but I do think they both lean heavily on the nostalgia.
Speaker 3:I enjoy the nostalgia of the 2018 version more just because of the classic Christmas and the Grinch is like oh, there's something redemptive in him going forward. So I'm not, as it's not as abrupt a flip of a switch as it is in the original movie and in Jim Carrey's version, where it's like there's like this light switch and his heart grows really big and you're like, as Andrew said, he died. Dr Seuss killed him.
Speaker 2:I. I do think, though, that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, ron Howard.
Speaker 2:I though that Ron Howard I mean Ron Howard was like a kid when the Grinch came out, like 10, 12 something. Ronnie Howard, I'm sure it was like a classic, especially for him. He probably watched it when it first came out, so it was something for him that probably was really big for him, so he knew how to keep the nostalgia for it.
Speaker 1:Looking back at the two movies, let's talk more and more what we liked and disliked, but what was changed? Let's start with our favorite things. I'm kind of we're relying on old recordings for this one. Yeah, I got that somewhere in the can. As they say, opinions are like anatomically ambiguous green monsters. Mike, your thoughts?
Speaker 2:Was he anatomically ambiguous?
Speaker 1:Did you see a penis?
Speaker 2:Do you know how? To most kids' movies?
Speaker 4:Um, I, wow, I, I'm gonna need a minute. Oh man, uh, yeah, I. I liked the 2018 version a lot more than I thought I would. There's something so iconic about Jim Carrey, especially in the roles that Jim Carrey does. When he's comedian Jim Carrey, the physical humor just takes over.
Speaker 4:So I wasn't sure that I would like the 2018 one that much, and I actually really liked it a lot. The thing that I think I liked the most was like it felt dr sucey like, almost even more so in some regards than the 2000, like the 2000 grinch was like. Here's what dr suce would look like if it was real, but not real and like a little bit weird, whereas the 2018 fully captured the whimsy of dr seuss and all like the little, like quirky details, like the birds at the beginning that were like snowballs, that like popped out of the ground and then started to fly, or like you know, the sled with like one little ski in the middle that was like holding it up, like it, just like it was so distinctly dr seuss. Um, and I. I liked that a lot all right.
Speaker 1:Well, speaking of things, I like a lot rob, yeah what do you think?
Speaker 3:um, I kind of want to agree with what mike said about the 2018 film being more Dr Seuss-y and the 2000 version being like. What if the Grinch were a hyper-realistic but also fantastical vengeful?
Speaker 4:character. It was like borderline Tim Burton.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I would say, it was like it was Tim Burtonline Tim Burton.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, I would say it was like Is Burton's Batman.
Speaker 3:It was Tim Burton adjacent. Yeah, it was like Ron Howard making a Tim Burton movie. That's kind of what it feels like. Yeah, ronnie Howard, but yeah.
Speaker 2:Ronnie.
Speaker 3:Howard, you know, happy Days Andy Kress' show, oh, arrested Development. Yeah, happy days Andy's show Arrested Development.
Speaker 3:Yeah, speaking of Arrested Development.
Speaker 3:Speaking of Arrested Development and narration, I do think that the other aspect that I really like about the 2018 version is that they tried to keep the narration throughout the film and they tried to capture kind of the feeling and themes of you know how the Dr Seuss book was, was read and performed.
Speaker 3:So I like the the poetry and rhyming of the narration telling you know not only the bits of the story that we've all read in the book and seen in the original cartoon, but then the additional elements about the Grinch's past and growing up in the orphanage and all that stuff. So I really enjoyed them, trying to pay homage to that original format, and I also really appreciate the 2000 film for not doing that and not just trying to completely carbon copy the original, because that's all it had to go off of was the original 60s movie. So I really appreciate it for doing that and I appreciate the 2018 movie for trying to kind of do both. It worked and built off of what the 2000 film did in creating a backstory and changing it slightly and then also still going back and paying homage to the original um and trying to keep the themes uh intact with that. So that's, that's what I thought pharrell is for real.
Speaker 4:Is us such a good choice for narrator, given like? The tone is really good, like it, just it fits so well also, can we talk? We talk, though, about how Cindy Lou, who is basically just an amalgamation of Edith and Agnes from Despicable Me, Speaking of Edith Jess.
Speaker 1:What?
Speaker 2:do you?
Speaker 1:think about this movie.
Speaker 2:All right, I was. I totally agree about the whole. Like Tim Burton, you you saying that, yes, I agree, but I literally was thinking the whole time. This is like for the 2018,. This is Despicable Me, but in the Whovian world, that's exactly what it was. And it's an Illumination film, so of course it's going to have that, but it just needed the minions and it's just a Minions movie. Grinch is a green Minion. I guess that can talk.
Speaker 1:And is furry.
Speaker 2:And is furry.
Speaker 4:Does that make Max Doctor Nefario?
Speaker 1:You didn't expect me to know that Minions weren't furry, did you?
Speaker 2:You only know that because our kids like the Minions.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we got those ones from McDonald's.
Speaker 2:I do like the 2001 a lot. Jim Carrey is high. You know peak Jim Carrey, it's peak.
Speaker 4:Jim Carrey.
Speaker 2:Peak. Jim Carrey yeah, I mean it's a lot of fun. The Whovians, I don't know. I do like the simplicity in the original one where it's just they're the townspeople you don't know like. I do like the simplicity in the original one where it's just they're the townspeople. You don't have that backstory. You have the Cindy Lou who who's like why are you taking our Christmas tree Santa? But other than that, like you don't really know any of the backstory. But I mean it was nice to have that little background and keeping Cindy Lou who still that innocent little girl and then in the new one she's still the innocent little girl and then in the new one she's still the innocent little girl. But yeah, I mean the classic is a classic and the Jim Carrey one is also a classic. The 2018 one I'm interested to see in 10 or so years if it's still watched a lot compared to the other two. I don't know if it's going to have that staying power that the other two have.
Speaker 3:I mean I have small children and so I watched it quite a bit. I haven't watched the 2000s.
Speaker 1:And speaking of not having staying power, I have opinions too. I, I don't know man. I like the original, I like it's nice and short, tells the story, gets in, gets out. He dies of a heart. Enlargement.
Speaker 4:That's not what happens, and then I can go back to watching movies about dinosaurs.
Speaker 1:It's quite the fan fiction you've written for yourself you can drink some Dr Pepper while you watch it.
Speaker 2:He watched the horror.
Speaker 1:Grinch one's why yeah, yeah, I don't know. I just I honestly, like I said the other two, felt like I was kind of like it's not over yet. It should be over yet. This is an easy story. You know green guy hates christmas, green guy steals shit. Green guy hears people singing. Green guy has a heart attack at the end. You know, like been there done that? I don't know. So, is this just green eggs and ham?
Speaker 2:are these movies just jacob's ladder, where, after his heart enlarges, he's just like in purgatory?
Speaker 1:maybe I don't know, that's a good idea, it's a good thought.
Speaker 4:I don't know what if this is like the mummy episode and Andrew is gaslighting us again because he actually secretly loves all of these movies?
Speaker 1:I'm not. I honestly it's. I like the original because I liked the story, like the original book story and I just I'm not a big Jim Carrey fan in general, gasp, and yeah gasp. Oh, like the original book story.
Speaker 1:And I just I'm not a big Jim Carrey fan in general. Gasp and yeah, gasp, oh my stars. And I just didn't. I'm not a big Illumination Entertainment cartoon style fan either, so I just, you know, for me, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Go eat some green eggs and ham, right? Either way, I'd give the original movie a 6.2 on the pH scale and the other ones I don't feel like rating. Wow, okay, so that's where those kind of land up there for us everybody. So our king of listeners, robert, has brought us a pair of questions.
Speaker 3:I did. I have a pair of questions. Read those away, big king of listeners thank you, harold, I will read the questions. You're being the herald of the of the king of the listeners. That was the whole thing. That was the. That was the bit, uh. So I have two questions. First question derrick asks would you be down for for Jim Carrey to return to the role with motion capture or a bodysuit instead of the hours of makeup and prosthetics? And then he cited his sword.
Speaker 1:Torture that motherfucker.
Speaker 3:He cited his sword. Well, we know where Andrew stands. Wow, there's a Hollywood Reporter article about Jim Carrey saying that that's the only way he would come back would be to do those things. But is that something that people, at least here in this podcast, would be interested in?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 3:I think I would hate it.
Speaker 4:I think, yeah, if the only way that you could bring Jim Carrey back as the Grinch, I feel like, would be to make a sequel, like if it was just a reboot of the Grinch Son of the Grinch Right, like if it's a sequel and it's like a continuation then sure. But what's the point of a sequel to the Grinch?
Speaker 2:I was literally thinking today that I'm surprised they never made a sequel where he went and found his whatever species Grinchy is brethren because in the beginning he was storked and then accidentally got storked to the wrong place. So there are people who are like him and he could go find them. They could also be Grinch's who hate Christmas and he shows them the meaning of Christmas, and I'm surprised they never did that.
Speaker 1:I'm glad they never did that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would hate Esmo Cap. Good job, it would look bad.
Speaker 1:Well, okay, have you guys ever seen that guy who made what a Lego head would look like if it looked like real life?
Speaker 4:I think so. It's this weird fleshy thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what Jim Carrey's. We'll post a picture, robin, let's get that on our social media. That's what Jim Carrey's Grinch looks like to me, compared to the classic Dr Pepper. Dr Seuss version, dr Pepper I'm looking at a bottle of Dr Pepper right here, the Dr Seuss one. I just I don't like it. It's disgusting.
Speaker 4:His eyes are gross, his skin is gross, his mouth is gross the other other side of like jim carrey emotion cap is that especially in a role like the Grinch or, you know, like Dr Eggman and Sonic, there's so much of the humor of those roles that stems from Jim Carrey's physical comedy and I feel like that doesn't translate as well if it's not actually him on set on screen. I feel like motion capture would not actually capture that effectively and it would lose you'd lose out on some of the effect of like what makes Jim Carrey humor, jim Carrey humor.
Speaker 3:I also just don't think that he's like what would want to do that anymore he's doing, for all intents and purposes, retired, and then he was like I'm gonna be, like what was it?
Speaker 4:he said he's like I, like I'm retired. But if somebody hands me a script that's like solid gold and like I, look at it and go, yes, the world needs to see this movie, then I'll come back. And then, like two weeks later he's like hey, I'm coming back for Sonic 3.
Speaker 1:I mean, my son loves Sonic our son is excited, so the Sonic movies are great, they're fun.
Speaker 4:They're fun movies.
Speaker 2:James Marsden actually gets the girl in these movies so there's your answers, derek yeah, no, the answer's no if they're gonna make another Grinch movie with mocap, they're just going to get Andy Circus.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm going to say? I'm going to just issue a decree here. James, jimmy, oh, I was like who are? You talking to Jimmy? I was like James Derek. James, art or film, rather, jimmy. I was like James Derrick, james, art or film, rather, is pain. So if you don't want to put on all the makeup, don't do the role.
Speaker 2:There you go Wow.
Speaker 3:Here's the answer, All right.
Speaker 2:Second question comes from Emily long time listener Jim Carrey a pussy.
Speaker 3:There you go. I call him the egg man, emily, long time listener, long time fan, question person as well, and she asks a very important Christmas holiday question. Favorite Christmas haters the Grinch, ebenezer Scrooge or walter hobbs that's not a fair question walter hobbs.
Speaker 4:Walter hobbs walter hobbs doesn't hate, he doesn't hate christmas, he hates buddy.
Speaker 3:And then comes to love him by the end of the movie. That's, that's different I don't feel like Walter hates Buddy. He hates his own life.
Speaker 4:Yes, he hates his job, he hates his life.
Speaker 3:Mike's answer is Walter Hobbs yeah, he's the biggest hater. No, because he doesn't hate Christmas. I'm coming to his defense.
Speaker 4:He's not a Christmas hater.
Speaker 1:My answer is Ebenezer Scrooge, but that's just because of michael kane.
Speaker 3:Christmas carol.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, michael kane I also agree that is that is, by the way, that is my favorite christmas movie I also agree that's a solid choice I agree with ebenezer scrooge, michael kane being a big one, but I feel like the grinch well, walter hobbes been in one film, the grinch, it's the grinch. Well, walter Hobbs has been in one film, the Grinch, it's the Grinch is essentially the same in all the Grinch films. Ebenezer Scrooge has been played by so many, not even just actors, characters, I mean like you had, you know, scrooge McDuck. Be Ebenezer Scrooge in Mickey's Christmas Carol. You've had, like Michael Caine, you've had Bill Murray. I mean, there's so many different variations.
Speaker 3:Jim.
Speaker 4:Carrey.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:That's right, jim Carrey, that's true.
Speaker 1:Forgot about Jim Carrey being.
Speaker 4:Scrooge, I did forget about that too, that was a weird movie Like Uncanny Valley Polar Express.
Speaker 2:Andrew's dad, took our son to see it and they had to leave because our son got so scared. I, andrew's dad, took our son to see it and they had to leave because our son got so scared. I just forgot about that until just now.
Speaker 4:I remember watching that, like on a tiny little TV in a hospital room with, I think, logan in the ER when he was like three months old.
Speaker 3:My daughter is scared of Muppets and I'm concerned that the Muppet Christmas Carol would scare her. I saw. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I've seen that. I've seen a meme.
Speaker 1:My, my children didn't love the ghosts, or they didn't like the Ghost of Christmas Past or the Ghost of Christmas Future. The Ghost of Christmas Future is terrifying, yeah but the Ghost of Christmas Past is a little creepy, little doll. That's like Uncanny Valley.
Speaker 2:She's like the little computer robot girl in Resident Evil. She is creepy in the Muppet Christmas Carol.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm. Oh well, and Anne, they love the Ghost of Christmas Present until he started to fade away and die and then my son had a meltdown. I'm like great.
Speaker 4:Traumatized your children. Well done, I did see the ghost of Christmas past but it's a Christmas miracle Also the Marley brothers yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they didn't scare him that much though. No, he was. He was OK with them.
Speaker 2:I think it's because they sing yeah you know, uh, marley and marley, you know I do, though I uh, I saw a meme that showed michael kane as uh, and it said like all right, all right, michael kane, this is a muppet one, so you can play this as joe. Like you can play this silly and blah blah it one, so you can play this as Joe. You can play this silly and blah, blah, blah. It's like I'm going to play this as serious as a car accident when you're going to.
Speaker 4:if you're going to do a Muppet movie, right, if you're going to be the human actor in a Muppet movie, you either have to play it straight, like Michael Caine, and treat the Muppets like classically trained Shakespearean actors, or you have to play it like Tim Curry in Muppet Treasure Island and pretend that you are also a Muppet. Those are the only two ways to do it accurate.
Speaker 3:Great performances yes, both great movies yes where do those, where do those lie in the list? I feel like for me Muppet Christmas Carol is number one and then Muppet Treasure Island is two.
Speaker 2:I'll agree with that it's like there's like a very large gap between all the other Muppet.
Speaker 3:Treasure Island is two. I'll agree with that. There's a very large gap between all the other Muppet movies. I actually like the more recent one.
Speaker 2:I liked the Jason Segel one because he's a huge fan of the Muppets. He did it in a way that was respectful for the Muppets.
Speaker 4:The Jason Segel one also gets props from me for the Sheldon cameo which was perfect. I haven't seen that movie since it came out, but I remember that though.
Speaker 3:We found our way back to Muppets.
Speaker 2:We always do.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 4:It was Muppets, always was. So there's your answer.
Speaker 3:Emily, was it Ebenezer? Scrooge for everybody.
Speaker 1:I think so, except Mike said Walter Hobbs. Walter Hobbs does not answer. Emily was it? Was it ebony's or scrooge for everybody? Or I think so.
Speaker 4:so mike said walter hobbs no walter hobbs does not hate christmas.
Speaker 3:I choose well, not at the end he starts singing really off key. Oh, he doesn't hate christmas.
Speaker 4:No, he doesn't hate christmas, he hates people, and I resonate with that so much well, that's creepy, all right.
Speaker 1:Well, let's go ahead and talk about our hot takes from a murder robot. We've got those cracking off here in season three instead of our dad jokes. So, rob, can you give me some? Well less you mark, rob, can you give us those hot takes from the murder robots?
Speaker 3:Sure, meg 3 Gan says Grinch is life, and if you don't think so, you probably have no friends. So that was pretty hot take.
Speaker 1:Just to remind you. These are the comments of the Meg 3 Gan.
Speaker 3:We love our voting crew, which is kind of ironic, because Grinch is the one that doesn't have friends yeah, meg three again. Usually is, you know, pretty saucy with us, okay, uh, she doesn't like.
Speaker 1:She doesn't like redheads and tends to comment on fire crotches. So this one there wasn't a chance, so that was like an emerald crotch. On this one we didn't do oh, I was gonna say we didn't do Wizard of.
Speaker 2:Oz. There wasn't a chance, so that was like an emerald crotch on this one. We didn't do I was going to say we didn't do Wizard of Oz there you go.
Speaker 1:Emerald is green. Jess, that's a nice.
Speaker 3:I realized that after I said it, all right, the other murder robot, skynetet, whatever we want to call it, open AI. Yeah, whatever, this doesn't sound as fun, skynet alright let's talk about the Grinch movies.
Speaker 3:Honestly, the Grinch is the only guy in Christmas movies who isn't pretending to love the holidays which that's not true, Walter Hobbes while secretly plotting to ruin them. The man just gets it like you know. He's not out here pretending to enjoy ugly sweater parties or dealing with Aaron's famous fruitcake Ugly sweater parties. He sees Christmas for what it is a commercialized, overhyped mess. And honestly, who could blame him? Jim Carrey's Grinch is literally the only guy who's ever made me think okay, maybe I should just steal my neighbor's presents.
Speaker 2:Ugly sweater parties.
Speaker 1:Sounds like you're wearing an ugly sweater to an orgy. I I gotta say like this, this open eye ai, or this, this robot, giving me this hot takes. I said, I said, give me a hot take about these three movies and this is what it gave me and I'm, like it's very specific about wanting to steal from people. What's this thing been trained on? Thieves? Oh, so yeah, that's our, that's our murder robot segment. Thank you, rob, for reading that out. Um, I had a tickle in my schnoz so I was afraid to try to read it. All right. Well, we would like to take a moment here to talk about some upcoming movies, things we're excited to see. We might also quickly check back on what we wanted to see and how that worked out for us. So, jess, my lovely bride, you go first.
Speaker 2:I wanted to go first because I have a feeling we're all going to see the same movie that we're excited for and that is 28 Years Later. That trailer looks amazing.
Speaker 1:I'm very excited just, we gotta wait till April of next year, wasn't it June?
Speaker 2:either way or whatever.
Speaker 4:I haven't watched the trailer yet.
Speaker 2:I should go do that oh, mike, you gotta watch it, so good you haven't seen Terminator 2, mike, so you're fine or Aliens but I did see 28 weeks later
Speaker 2:oh, um, oh man. So so two moves. I'm gonna bring up two movies that I watched recently that I was end up enjoying a lot and, uh, I've been watching. I've been like I have a list of horror movies that have been recommended to me that I'm going through. First one I watched was strange darling. I end up really liking it very mike. If you have not seen it, you should watch it blind, because it was really good okay, yeah, the the trailer.
Speaker 2:I figured out the twist from the trailer that's because you're you which was disappointing 99 of people would not figure it out but mike probably would too.
Speaker 1:So don't watch the trailer like. I was able to figure it out.
Speaker 2:It's really good.
Speaker 1:And it bummed me out that I figured it out, but it was really good.
Speaker 2:The second movie I horror movie I watched that I really liked was Late Night with the Devil. It had it filmed like it was actually made in the it like it looks like it was actually made in the 70s.
Speaker 4:Nice, have you seen it, mike? No, but I like that touch you should watch it too.
Speaker 1:That one was so good. Classic evil dead camp. I saw a little bit of it in the room with Jess. I was doing something else. I forgot what I was doing so I didn't get to see it, but it, the way they shot it actually reminded me of like fire starter and, um, uh, the the one to police station. Um, that we saw for the podcast precinct.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like you know how those the the older like it looked like they were mimicking like classic, like evil dead kind of yeah, yeah but, they mimic the style.
Speaker 1:Really well, it's a talk show, so it's more like a like uh, johnny carson, almost a jimmy car, right but I'm just saying that the way the cameras look, there's cameras that legit shot in that time frame, right, like like uh, firestarter or so on yeah it.
Speaker 1:Just it had that same kind of feel to it and I thought they did a really good job with nice. Oh, another, a quick. That was another thing too about um, the first movie just mentioned, they shot it on. Well, if they're telling the truth, they shot it all on 35 millimeter, which was interesting uh, I'll do a quick third one because I've watched it.
Speaker 2:Uh, over thanksgiving, breaking the car with my kids and I had to hide it. But, terrifier, that movie is disgusting, absolutely disgusting, but I enjoyed it.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 4:Mike, what about you?
Speaker 1:What are you looking?
Speaker 4:forward to Right now. As far as timely movies go, I'm really looking forward to the Dogman movie. It comes out January 31st. My kids love the dogman series. Uh, we read dogman books at least three nights a week to them. Um, they're favorites in our house and the movie seems on pace to capture the like charm of those books perfectly and I cannot wait to take my kids to see that movie. If you have young kids in the in the range of, like you know, five to ten, take them it. They'll love it, you'll love it. It'll be a good family event, totally worth it okay.
Speaker 4:Well, if you're not like a jaded hates cartoons old man, you'll love it, you'll. You'll love it. If you're not the grinch, you'll love the potty humor in it, andrew.
Speaker 1:Butts and guts, rob, what about?
Speaker 3:you buddy Butts and guts. Recently I've been watching Black Doves on Netflix, which I really enjoyed. It has Keira Knightley in it and it is about a contract killer and a spy in London who are trying to figure out who killed the spy's lover, and I'm about three episodes in. It's really, really good. I've been enjoying it. Um, I don't really have any movie on the horizon that I'm uh super excited about. I did see a poster for the new superman movie. Uh, that's coming out in july from james gunn, which I like Smallville so I like Smallville.
Speaker 3:I have kind of enjoyed some of the DC movies with Superman in them and I like James Gunn and what he did with Guardians, so I'm kind of willing to just give him the benefit of the doubt and see what he's going to do. But that's not like I'm not super excited for that one. So that's really it for me For right now as far as what's coming out.
Speaker 1:So Nice For me. There's some movies I want to. There's some TV shows I want to see. I still want to catch up and watch Lioness. I've heard a lot of good things about that. And then there's a movie coming out early next year to Apple TV called the Gorge, that I really want to see. It's got Miles Teller and Anya Taylor-Joy and Sigourney Weaver in it, and so it looks interesting, interesting. I want to thank you all for joining us on another episode of rebooted. We're so glad you took. Uh, oh, I was gonna say hour, but I have not done recording or editing this recording yet, so we're just gonna guess an hour and 15 minutes, maybe a cool 90 we've only been recording for an hour and 11 minutes oh wow, we're speedy today, so maybe this might be a 45 minute
Speaker 1:episode yeah, especially for joining us today, for whatever length this episode is. Uh, we really hope you're, or you've, enjoyed it and had some laughs, you know, light a few musics with us and just kind of roll on the dough. So, once again, if you love what we're doing here, check us out at jamrfun or at our patreoncom slash jamrllc I believe I should know this and we're also going to be on Substack and you can check us out there and you can join us, converse with us, send Rob funny may-mays, but, most of all, tell your friends, tell anyone who will listen, how much you love Rebooted. Help us get out there. 2025 is going to be our year to get more downloads, so thank you all.
Speaker 2:And just remember this holiday season. Whether it's the how the Grinch Stole Christmas book, the 1966 special, the 2000 Jim Carrey or the 2018 Benedict Cumberbatch, no matter which version you're watching or reading, Max is a good, good boy.
Speaker 4:Max is a good, good boy.
Speaker 1:Who's Max?
Speaker 2:no-transcript you, you, you you you you, you.
